An Open Letter to Scribd
Mon, Jan 14, 2008
Jared Friedman, co-founder of Scribd, left a polite but concerning comment on our “Social Marketing With Scribd” video post.
Here’s what Jared said along with my follow-up:
From Scribd
Jared Friedman on January 13th, 2008 at 4:47 am
Hi there,
I work at Scribd, and we happened to notice this blog post. While I’m glad that you guys like Scribd, I’d like to point out some things about our policies.Scribd is a website for the noncommercial sharing of documents. By “documents”, we mean things like poems, stories, homework, academic research, magazines, and that sort of thing. We provide the Scribd service free of charge, and don’t advertise on users’ documents. In return, we ask that users not use Scribd for promotion or marketing.
Our users don’t like seeing commercial content on Scribd, and so we have taken measures to protect against it. We don’t allow links on documents anymore, and we filter our content and delete documents which appear to have been created to promote a product or website. Scribd is good for a lot of things, but it’s not a good place to promote your website.
So we wish you the best of luck in your social marketing efforts, but we suggest you try sites other than Scribd to do it.
My response
Jared,
First. let me say that I appreciate your genuine comment and interest in keeping Scribd free from documents that have no value to any potential visitor. (aka spam) I too get frustrated by the amount of “junk” littering the internet, especially in blog comments, social sites and adsense portal pages.
This is not what we do or recommend to anyone. In our definition, social marketing is all about being REAL and becoming part of the community. The “weekly video” that you watch was meant to quickly explain to our loyal readers how to set up a Scribd account in a way that makes sense for social marketers.
You made the point above:
We provide the Scribd service free of charge, and don’t advertise on users’ documents. In return, we ask that users not use Scribd for promotion or marketing.
I would like to challenge you a bit on this based on what I read in your FAQ:
It says:
Can I make money for my work using Scribd?
Not directly. While Scribd does not allow you to charge for access to your work on the site, you can use Scribd to promote your paid work. For example, if you have a blog with ads on it, you can upload one of your best entries to Scribd as a way to get more readership. If you have a book in print, you can upload an excerpt (or even the whole thing!) to Scribd as a promotion. (my italics)If you noticed, the video illustrated me seting up an account and uploading one post from this blog. I did actually re-read your FAQ before creating the video and thought this would be a legitimate example of an acceptable use of Scribd. In my mind, I was posting an excerpt of my blog as a promotion. I included anchor text links to more valuable and related content (not spam portals or junk sites).
Even more to the point, I am concerned that you are labeling all “internet marketers” as spammers interested in nothing but making money.
In fact, if I do nothing in this post but make this single point I will have succeeded:
Social marketing, even internet marketing is a legitimate business, completely unrelated to spamming and should be given “space” within any database collecting information people are interested in.
I like the concept of Scribd very much. I am amazed by the level of functionality that is built into it and how well each peice works togeteher. I too would hate to see it over-run by crap content.
However, please don’t (as they used to say) “throw the baby out with the bathwater”. There are some folks who are seeking social marketing “how-to” information about marketing who would be thrilled to stumle upon it while browsing Scribd. Instead of being miffed, they would be happy to see an anchor text link to more content that helps them answer real question and solve real problems.
I wish Scribd the best as well and hope to see constructive dialogue regarding the proper use of social networks continue.
Cheers!
Tom Deeter
Tags: scribd, Social Marketing, weekly video








January 14th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Good work Tom.
You might want to expand the conversation with them as to why they don’t want to monetize the content.
When I post articles it does not bother me if the site where they are posted makes money on the page. It does bother me when they fill my copy with there links but a service like scrib should be bringing in a few extra dollars so they can build an even better service.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Thanks Jon,
Agreed… This conversation needs to continue. I have a feeling that the guys at Scribd are getting slammed by the masses of StomperNet disciples uploading content after watching Don Crowther’s video and won’t be responding right away…
I don’t think Scribd realizes how many legitimate internet marketers are out there and how valuable these folks are to have as customers or “users”. After all, we are on the net usually 40+ hours a week.
January 16th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
I can see Jared’s point and concern about SPAM but….
From the Scribd “About Us”:
“Corporate info
Scribd was founded in 2006 by Trip Adler, Jared Friedman, and Tikhon Bernstam. The company has raised money from notable Silicon Valley investors, including Paul Graham’s Y Combinator, the Kinsey Hills group, Redpoint Ventures and several prominent angel investors.”
At some point, I would imagine these “angel investors” wanna see some of their scratch back.
Will a bunch of poems and term papers foot the bill?
Tough call… how do you sort out the SPAM from legit internet marketing?
Seems to me that internet marketers who know how to drive traffic with quality, valuable, original content sure would benefit Trip, Jared, and Tikhon.
You’re probably right Tom. No doubt best to lie low with all the StomperNet buzz.
Walt
January 19th, 2008 at 3:40 am
It’s nice to see that I’m not the only one. I tried to put up helpful articles that I had written about how to do something, I forget what it was but it wasn’t promotional at all. I was just using Scribd for edification. I’m assuming that the reason for my being banned was because the topic was about running some aspect of your home based business. So what? That’s what I write about and people are always looking for stuff about that. Come to think about it, I think it was about how to brand yourself.
So, I got banned without warning. At least you got an email with an explanation! I got nothing and when I contacted them, no reply. I would have promoted their service on my social marketing for business site but they had to be jerks.
Oh well, there are plenty of other places I’d rather be.
Sheree